I found it interesting that the Dibbuns still were not mentioned by that name in the Prologue. I wonder when they started being called that. (It's the term for the young Redwallers)
I got in arguments with my book regarding the map at the beginning and the compass directions mentioned in the text itself. Usually I don't pay much attention to maps, but I looked at this one for something and it doesn't seem very good at North vs South.
With the audiobook, I clearly did not have access to said map. So you're saying that the directional notes in the book didn't match where places seem to have been shown on the map?
I will post it in the Teams chat since there does not seem to be a way to add pictures to a comment here. At the start of chapter 15, Brome and the squirrel (I'm bad with names) are with the players who just pestered the group camped outside the fortress. Martin and company just left the Pigmy shrews. The first line clearly says "More than a day's journey south on those same clifftops, Martin and his friends camped for the night." The pigmy shrew caves are north of the fortress on my map.
Poor Jake was just asking yesterday hoping that songs wouldn't be as prevalent in this book. Then I read it last night and was like, wow that's more than usual.
That's true, and I just can't seem to care about their success or failure. I want to be invested in them, but I just don't find myself concerned with them.
I feel like the pygmy shrew bit and the sparrow captive bit from Redwall shared a lot of similarities. Also, I really liked how the queen pygmy shrew experienced character growth through appreciating Martin after he saved her kid. That arc made her a much more dynamic and round character than I expected her to be when Jacques first introduced her.
I'm glad to see Badrang isn't as one dimensional as Cluny. All Cluny did was yell and slap people. There's also the parallel of Mathias and Martin going on a journey to receive the sword. I need that motherly mole in my life to throw food at me whenever I ask for it.
While looking up other stuff I have found where the Author commented that he wanted to keep everything very black and white good and evil for the series.
They mentioned Redwall in the very beginning, before the visitors started telling the tale of Martin. This Noonvale place sounds like what will become Redwall, or have I missed something entirely?
For the record: the chronological order of the books leading up to Redwall is: Lord Brocktree, Legend of Luke (Part 2), Martin the Warrior, Mossflower, The Legend of Luke (Part 1), Outcast of Redwall, Mariel of Redwall, The Bellmaker, Salamandastron, and then Redwall.
I found it interesting that the Dibbuns still were not mentioned by that name in the Prologue. I wonder when they started being called that. (It's the term for the young Redwallers)
ReplyDeleteJacques just came up with it on the fly later.
DeleteI noticed how Martin's father told him to hide the sword where only a warrior would go looking for it. Describes the top of the abbey pretty well
ReplyDeleteBut Jess Squirrel was the one who actually went and retrieved it, wasn't she? Technically Matthias wasn't the warrior who went up there.
DeleteI mean you are pretty limited on what species can climb that high, but only a warrior would even go looking up there.
DeleteI got in arguments with my book regarding the map at the beginning and the compass directions mentioned in the text itself. Usually I don't pay much attention to maps, but I looked at this one for something and it doesn't seem very good at North vs South.
ReplyDeleteWith the audiobook, I clearly did not have access to said map. So you're saying that the directional notes in the book didn't match where places seem to have been shown on the map?
DeleteI will post it in the Teams chat since there does not seem to be a way to add pictures to a comment here. At the start of chapter 15, Brome and the squirrel (I'm bad with names) are with the players who just pestered the group camped outside the fortress. Martin and company just left the Pigmy shrews. The first line clearly says "More than a day's journey south on those same clifftops, Martin and his friends camped for the night."
DeleteThe pigmy shrew caves are north of the fortress on my map.
The food descriptions made me so hungry.
ReplyDeleteThey also made the characters hungry rofl
DeletePoor Jake was just asking yesterday hoping that songs wouldn't be as prevalent in this book. Then I read it last night and was like, wow that's more than usual.
ReplyDeleteI'll admit, though, they're shorter and less intrusive than LotR. I'm not dying to have MORE songs, but the ones I heard aren't bad.
DeleteI'm curious how slow some of them were. The calls between the otter and Rose seem like they would have to be slower to not be heard.
DeleteThey're delivered pretty quickly, which seemed odd given they were trying to avoid suspicion.
DeleteI feel like the characters of Martin the Warrior are less personable to me than the characters of Redwall. As for why, I can't really peg.
ReplyDeleteFor one, Matthias had clumsiness and various other flaws outright, while we still haven't really seen many flaws for the main heroic characters.
DeleteThat's true, and I just can't seem to care about their success or failure. I want to be invested in them, but I just don't find myself concerned with them.
DeleteThey're trying to free a bunch of slaves
DeleteI feel like the pygmy shrew bit and the sparrow captive bit from Redwall shared a lot of similarities. Also, I really liked how the queen pygmy shrew experienced character growth through appreciating Martin after he saved her kid. That arc made her a much more dynamic and round character than I expected her to be when Jacques first introduced her.
ReplyDeleteI think with a few years and books between the two, some similarities are allowed.
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ReplyDeleteI'm glad to see Badrang isn't as one dimensional as Cluny. All Cluny did was yell and slap people. There's also the parallel of Mathias and Martin going on a journey to receive the sword. I need that motherly mole in my life to throw food at me whenever I ask for it.
ReplyDeleteI definitely agree with the mole comment
DeleteMaster sword of TLoZ. I think Zelda and Redwall occur in the same universe.
DeleteBut yes, Badrang is more interesting. The tension between two opposing but equally bad forces gives a sort of dynamic that I find very entertaining.
DeleteIt was pretty brutal how they staked that fox to the wall just because he thinks he's a spy. I liked it.
DeleteWhile looking up other stuff I have found where the Author commented that he wanted to keep everything very black and white good and evil for the series.
DeleteCluny and Badrang are both vicious
DeleteI'm curious how far in the past we are. Redwall doesn't seem to be named Redwall yet?
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DeleteDid they not mention Redwall at all? I was thinking they had. Do we know how many generations occur between Martin and Matthias?
DeleteI got confused with my last comment. What do you think is Redwall and just isn't named that yet? That will help me make sense out of my reply.
DeleteThey mentioned Redwall in the very beginning, before the visitors started telling the tale of Martin. This Noonvale place sounds like what will become Redwall, or have I missed something entirely?
DeleteI will say that Redwall was in the prologue, but during the events of the main story Redwall does not exist yet.
DeleteI suppose that was the prologue. Is there a map of the area around Redwall? Compare it to Noonvale?
DeleteI guess it didn't post my other comment. Noonvale and Redwall are not the same and I think the epilogue will help there if I remember right.
ReplyDeleteThis belongs up there but I've had to argue with a few posts already today so I'm not redoing it again.
DeleteFor the record: the chronological order of the books leading up to Redwall is: Lord Brocktree, Legend of Luke (Part 2), Martin the Warrior, Mossflower, The Legend of Luke (Part 1), Outcast of Redwall, Mariel of Redwall, The Bellmaker, Salamandastron, and then Redwall.
DeleteThat's so jumbled lol what's the sequel to Redwall, chronologically?
DeleteMattimeo. Deals with Matthias' son.
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